NOTE: This is our PART 3 SPIRIT OF PROPHECY BIBLE STUDY; COMPARING OLD TESTAMENT VS NEW TESTAMENT VIEWS OF THE OFFICE OF A PROPHET …yet it was completed 2017.
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Note: Taveau D’Arcy Ministries has been in the spirit of prophecy as well as Bible teaching Word /diverse worship moves since 1991.
She submits this as a respectful SELAH to those who already understand this vast, ministry leader, supremely interesting, turf.
“God keeps His prophets in caves until He needs them. Then He brings them out.” Pentecostal Prophetic Pioneering Pastor, East Coast
THE NEW TESTAMENT OFFICE OF THE PROPHET, SPIRIT OF PROPHECY
“The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” Revelation 19:10
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TODAY: Dr. Taveau D’Arcy Creative Leadership (TCL) shares it’s own In House Views regarding:
OFFICE OF THE PROPHET VS THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY
OLD TESTAMENT PROPHETS VS NEW TESTAMENT
NOTE: We realize that this is an enormous subject. Thus we share only a tiny part. It is intended to be shared in bits and pieces…and will relate TCL Ministries views regarding all of this DUE TO all of the preconceived ministry IDEAS, past and present BOTH GOOD and BAD teachings on the SPIRIT OF PROPHECY and the OFFICE OF THE PROPHET.
SURELY this writer understands how NON ALL INCLUSIVE it is to share using one small article. Yet we are reminded of this verse: “We know in part…”
Sincerely,
DR T
TCL Bible studies the differences in the I Corinthians 12 ” spiritual gift” of the spirit of prophecy as well as the “office gift to the Churches” an OFFICE of the prophet:
Ephesians 4:11″ And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers.”
TCL ASIDE: IFFM notices how none of these OFFICES are written in capital letters, which we believe imply Apostle’s view of them as “servant pioneering leader offices.”
IN MODERN DAY MINISTRY, after 30 plus ongoing years of in house research, it appears that the BODY OF CHRIST (meaning in different ministry subgroups) regards the MOVE OF THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY as one or all of the following:
- The Bible study of the nation of Israel, the End Times, Book of Revelation, and the times and seasons, prophetic signs of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, (TCL believes in this, but it is NOT our field of God given , revealed, spiritual calling.
- During a worship service, there is a pause. Someone in the room gives an audible message in tongues. This is followed by another pause, while at last, the pastor or another person interprets this. (TCL believes in this also, but ordinarily is far more proficient in the #3)
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A word given under the unction of God’s Holy Spirit which “edifies comforts and strengthens”.TCL often discusses, enjoys servant leader witnessing, offering encouragement, receiving a word from the Lord, be it “Son of Issachar “present day apostolic leader national important message” or “prophetic” in the sense of a fore knowing wake up call, encouragement which (TCL Beliefs) must not be overly spooky and must keep in line with God’s Holy Word and bear spiritual true fruit of
** JAMES 3:17“But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be entreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy/”
** I TIMOTHY 1:7 “God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power, love and a sound mind.”
<strong** GALATIANS 5:22-23” But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.”
TCL POINT:THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY, WALKING IN THE OFFICE OF A TRUE PROPHET as revealed by HEBREWS 1:1-2
NOTE: this is the MAIN IFFM DIFFERENCE when we compare with many others who train on moving in the Gifts.
MAIN TCL POINT: TCL maintains that maintaining all Holy BIble RELATIONSHIPS matter far more than “achieving any GIFT” and that by Modeling training on THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY, ALL SPIRITUAL GIFTS and OFFICE MINISTRY GIFTS in a ministry DOCTRINAL JESUS CHRIST RELATIONSHIP MANNER will then make many more “Spiritually Safe Haven Refuge Local Churches” for the thirsty and weary.
We now submit the following in SELAH, rather than DOGMATIC form.
TCL MAIN POINT: THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE IN USING OLD TESTAMENT LEVITICAL LAW AND JESUS CHRIST NON LEGALISTIC FREEDOM WHEN TRAINING on moving in the GIFTS:
HEBREWS 1:1-2
“1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;”
TCL POINT: OLD TESTAMENT TRUE PROPHETS
HEBREWS 1:1 ” God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,”
NAMES OF SOME THE OT PROPHETS: Samuel, Elijah, Elisha, Obadiah, Daniel, Isaiah, Malachi,Amos, Joel, Nehemiah,Noah, Enoch, etc.
BACK THENnobody carried around God’s Holy Spirit deposit in their hearts. God set up the TORAH, the PROPHETS who went to seek the word of the Lord on behalf of God’s PEOPLE.
IF we Bible study the OLD TESTAMENT PROPHETS from a NEW TESTAMENT viewpoint, we use their ACTIONS, DIVERSE MINISTRY METHODS, USING SIGNS AND WONDERS, giving NATIONAL LEADER, TEMPLE PRIEST WARNINGS, etc as “modern day ministry principles” which can allow those being called and equipped in GOd’s NEW TESTAMENT high OFFICE (Ephes 4:11) to understand some of the intense, spiritual,natural, even governmental leader warfare that they may repeatedly encounter..and often this happens when they are NOT surrounded by “staff” or “entourage.”
IN THE OLD TESTAMENT Prophetic Times God spoke through the prophets “in diverse manners” EXAMPLE: signs and wonders, prophetic acts, words from the Lord to the national leaders, warnings, words to the king as they went into battle,etc;
PROPHETIC ANOINTED WORSHIP: I Samuel 16:23 God even used His Holy Spirit anointing on young David as he ministered to the Lord in front of oppressed King Saul and God’s anointed “prophetic minstrel” was used by God to break the depression, evil spirit yokes off of the dull in spirit nation of Israel first KING.
TCL POINT:SUMMARY: God’s Old Testament amazing prophetic signs and wonders to confirm both His Own Seven Holy Spirits /His true eternal AWESOME NATURE and that of His coming ONLY SON the CHRIST/MESSIAH
ISAIAH 11:2 “The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him (the Son of God,Jesus,the Messiah)— the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of might, the Spirit of the knowledge.
TCL POINT: AND it relates to the BOOK OF ACTS Chapter 2 Holy Spirit Day when the 7 SPIRITS OF THE MIGHTY GOD were unleashed to help the CHURCH. (but only in minor doses to ones who would respect them and submit to God’s Holy Pioneering Ministry Spirit)
TCL POINT OF CLARIFICATION:
Today,with all the ministry various pedigrees, beliefs about this ,including prophetic denominations, each individual must take out their NEW TESTAMENT and dig past all of the POPULAR ACCEPTED (which in many parts is highly OT Levitical Patriarchal, Patrician grass roots based, which generates over much local OVERSEER PHARISEEICAL ACCUSATION) to BIBLE NOBLE BEREAN what God truly meant when HE had the First Church Apostles describe both the SPIRITUAL GIFT OF (Subjective) PROPHECY and the OFFICES of the NEW TESTAMENT PROPHET.
EXAMPLE: TCL believes that a “spirit of prophecy” will almost 85-95 percent of the time simply confirm what another believer has already heard from the Lord. BUT as this is not a FORMULA, RECIPE we understand (based on Book of Acts and OLD TESTAMENT odd prophetic experiences) that “God does often make exceptions” (mostly to the DULL OF PERCEIVING, the NONBELIEVER and ones who are NEW BELIEVERS) (IFFM opinion…not dogma)
NEW TESTAMENT PROPHETS, SPIRIT OF PROPHECY HEBREWS 1:2
(GOD)”Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;”
TCL MAIN POINT: In the OLD TESTAMENT Legalistic Law governed, pre Christ days, the mysterious peculiar wonder-working prophets were perhaps self protective, stood aloof, as they each carried God’s spirit of MIGHT and COUNSEL and had to govern their office anointing.
These strong OT Prophets lived 24/7/365 in direct real time back and forth RELATIONSHIP apart with the LORD as His Spirit might direct them to go and to do at any time of day or night (NOTE example of the Ezekiel 1 Holy Spirit gyroscope WHEEL VISION)
AND IN historical hindsight, perhaps, as they were so few of them and each comes across as being a very rugged individual…as each one of them walked in great spiritual warfare, life threatening danger in the midst of idolatrous heathen nations and self serving mixture in SOME of the leaders/priests of their own Hebrew NATION.
ADD THIS to the major bold even FEARSOME power of God’s Holy Spirit MIGHT, POWER and COUNSEL (all Seven Isaiah 11:2 flaming spirits in differing proportions and grace given unctions) which were given to the TRUE HEBREW PROPHET OFFICES…and this definitely colored the memory of them as ANOINTED, VERY BOLD and perhaps BROODING.
TCL POINT: Therefore in the Modern Doctrinal Leader Days, we keep finding MAJOR confusion in how one is supposed to VIEW and HERO ROLE MODEL the OFFICE OF THE NEW TESTAMENT TRUE PROPHET.
THE WRITERS admit to having to OUTLINE this based on the OFFICE REQUIREMENTS voiced in Hebrews 1:2.
“(GOD) Hath in these last days(NEW TESTAMENT,PRESENT TIMES) spoken unto us by his Son(JESUS CHRIST), whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;”
TCL POINT: In other words, rather than hero role modeling by the OLD TESTAMENT LENSE of the OFFICE OF THE PROPHET as previously described above…
….ANY ministry equipping concerning PROPHECY, THE OFFICE OF and the SPIRITUAL FRUIT born by anyone who moves in the spiritual gift of “the spirit of prophecy” AND/OR who truly walks in God’s Church OFFICE OF A (NEW TESTAMENT TIMES) PROPHET must factor in how much their set apart LIFE and SPIRITUAL FRUIT truly resemble CHRIST.
“The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy” Revelation 19:10
I.E.”By their fruits you will know them.” Matthew 7:20
TCL POINT: JESUS CHRIST WAS/IS THE EPITOME OF EACH AND EVERY FIVE FOLD OFFICE MAGNA CUM MAGNA.
THUS if we want to truly note God’s VIBE concerning any “Promoting themselves as a REAL NEW TESTAMENT EPHESIANS 4:11 OFFICE PROPHET, APOSTLE, PASTOR, TEACHER,AND EVANGELIST…then they each must pass through the BIBLE KEYHOLE which the mature, servant office, nonlegalistic, MESSIAH /CHRIST would have also passed through.
- ACTS 10:38 “Jesus went about doing good, healing all who were oppressed by the devil”
AKA Jesus Christ was not aloof, clandestine, entitled, elite or surrounded by deflective disciple handlers. While He had “reknown” Jesus was not into producing follower or celebrity hungry Boanerge wannabe adoring apostolic fans.
JESUS PROPHETIC OFFICE MODELED being approachable, unafraid of persons with unclean heavy spirits and well as allowing the children to come in close. Jesus was “set apart” but not snooty or superior elite proud speaking with people (woman at the well, dining with sinners).
APOSTLE’S APOSTLE,PROPHET’S PROPHET JESUS up front Matthew 18;15 confronted HIS OWN RELIGIOUS HOUSE by tossing over their money making tables. YET he never used hate speech, violence or abusive/demeaning, ACCUSATIVE e suspicious name calling.
AND neither did the NEW TESTAMENT OFFICE OF THE PROPHET (the non-accuser CHRIST)organize His disciples outside of the Temple to yell and scream epithets at the Temple Priests as they walked in to work.
SELAH.
THE WORLD WIDE, LOCAL AREA Prophet Jesus, who was not descended from the high priestly tribe of Levi, and who was from JUDAH appears to be of the artisan, agricultural, non LEVITICAL community.
(Perhaps Christ could perceive raw competitive legalistic accusative TEMPLE RELIGION swiftly as His mother Mary and extended natural family had not been a big part of that.”(SELAH rather than dogma)
AND as JESUS/his disciples, did not have gender, race or social strata bias. And the PROPHET PROPHET’S JESUS did not train his male disciples to “spy witches , warlocks and undermining Queen Jezebels.”
Rather, the humble servant minister CHRIST practiced REAL RESPECT for all kinds of human real persons who were MADE IN GOD’S OWN IMAGE.’ (We note examples of Jesus amongst believers and non, all races, both Jew and Gentile, males and females, old and very young).
YET, we observe that the ONLY “MINISTRY LEADER SUBGROUP” that got the nonaccuser MESSIAH righteously UPSET was His own Hebrew Temple Big Religious Pharisee Into Ungodly Mammon huge SYSTEM ….which preferred making ministry money, performing, lording their power OVER all types of others and spying on anyone they sensed might take their tithe money or positions of legalistic power.
Where the APOSTLE, CHIEF OVERSEER PROPHET the Messiah came to enlarge His Father’s FAMILY via making RELATIONSHIPS….the temple good deed doing religious PHARISEES were far more interested in power, position,and self serving pride.
WITH REGARDS TO WOMEN,CHIEF SINNERS, GREEKS, NEW BELIEVERS, GENTILES, IDOLATORS and ROVING UNCLEAN: Due to JESUS ongoing (Garden of Gethsemene) RELATIONSHIP daily with His FATHER, the Mighty Prophet Jesus knew and was able to maintain, His own AUTHORITY in the SPIRIT.
APOSTOLIC MINISTER DE-FRAGGING GENDER BIAS ASIDE:Therefore if any controlling, potentially undermining, even dark, lust filled ANYBODY would have suddenly come up upon The MESSIAH Jesus simply would have bound each supernatural unclean demon and summarily cast it out!
WITH REGARDS TO IDENTIFYING A TRUE NEW TESTAMENT OFFICE OF THE PROPHET TODAY
Their ongoing FRUITS, both private, in public, from the oracle pulpit or business leader /personal realm would over all, resemble THE (TRUE PROPHET)MESSIAH of ISAIAH 11:3,
“And (HIS FATHER) shall make him(MESSIAH) of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:”
Let us observe the SPIRITUAL FRUIT of CHRIST, THE MESSIAH( MAJOR OFFICE OF THE PROPHET)
** He would be of QUICK UNDERSTANDING (fast at discerning, perceiving, sifting prophetically any individual’s heart motives or that of a confusing leader situation.)
** “IN the fear of the Lord” Proverbs 1:7 “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.” AND ISAIAH 11:7 notes that one of God’s 7 eternal Lampstand HOLY SPIRITS is “the fear of the Lord.”
AND WE NOTE: that Prophet Messiah was “quick of understanding IN THE FEAR OF THE LORD” as implying that if JESUS had NOT had the FEAR OF THE LORD (even as the long awaited Messiah) that even HE would not have been as spiritually SKILLED, leader PERCEPTIVE..and PERCEPTIVELY(PROPHETICALLY, SEERISHLY) FULLY ANOINTED!
** “He will not judge by the sight of his eyes.” Christ was not a “perceive them from afar off and then form critical (speculative) accuser judgements of any type of human person.
Rather Christ went out of his leader way to be mature, respectful, even approachable, as He concentrated on ALL RELATIONSHIPS rather than on “getting a prophetic word to give to somebody.”
JESUS was not“into” His own personal OFFICE/leader life AGENDA…rather He was truly INTO SAVING/UNFETTERING SOULS…winning the Lost, healing the suffering, taking time from his surely busy pressure filled Office to humbly interact with the LEAST OF THESE, THE CHIEF UNBELIEVING SINNERS and the LITTLE CHILDREN (And surely the latter may have accidentally smeared Jesus holy cassock with the mud and grime left on their tiny busy toddler /childish fingers.)
*** Jesus the OFFICE OF THE PROPHET (and every 5 fold all in ONE)..”would not reprove(make decisions) after the hearing of his ears (based upon what he heard: the local scuttlebutt, leader tales, gossip and area rumors)
(THUS one giant potential hallmark of any NEW TESTAMENT TRUE OFFICE PROPHET is that they will not “believe the evil report” about any other….)
**AND as JESUS CHRIST was open, friendly, respecting and NEVER not “arrogant” “superior” “prophetic proud”….
…. HE would respect many others by BIBLE UP FRONT LOVING CONFRONTATION with “PROPHETIC PROFITING” REPROVING (2 Timothy 3:16-17) yet would not misuse His spiritual prophetic gifting by using it to perceptively, seerishly SPY on others.
AND MOST SURELY (pure hearted, single minded, “zero guile”) JESUS would never abuse His office, or abase Himself, to even tolerate, much less ORIGINATE gossip, rumors, suspicious speculation, which is sadly NOT how “Being in PRophetic Senior Office/Rising Ministry Role Models itself TODAY (around far too many achievement primarily, grass roots local levels).
AS JESUS CHRIST
1. Went about doing good ACTS 10:38
2. Went about not believing or spreading ACCUSATION ISAIAH 11:3
3. Went about FILLED COMPLETELY with His Fathers 7 Eternal Life Giving Serving SPIRITS ISAIAH 11: 7
4. As well as imbued with PROPHETIC OFFICE/MINISTER, APOSTOLIC LEADER “quick perceptive, swiftly discerning, intuitive (perceiver /discerner/prophetic) leadership PROPHETIC OFFICE skill “in the holy fear of the LORD”
Well, there is no more time left to proceed any further.
YET, I pray that any READER or non Christ Followers who has heard weird tales of “PROPHECY” or “PROPHETIC OFFICES GONE OVER WILD”..or deems it ” navel gazing spirit which the produces icey, unfriendly and accusative self absorbed unloving supersensitive persons”…. and/or “too flakey, too spooky”… and/or “it’s only about producing overly dependent prophetic word junkies” ETC (which is like similar to what this writer admits to feeling until the LORD opened her eyes to view it being HERE ROLE MODELED by the NON SUPER SPIRITUAL , NON ACCUSER humble servant CHRIST JESUS…
THUS, TCL MINISTRIES equips in like fashion YET we “pick out what is HAY but toss out what is STUBBLE” in many other BIBLE based, Spirit of Prophecy different many subgroups.
AND at present, we are finding the recent diverse ministry subgroup referred to as “TRUE PROPHETIC” and ones who prefer RELATIONSHIPS over “MINISTRY ACHIEVEMENT”..while some may regard them as “far out” for moving in the Spiritual GIFTS, TCL submits that THEY are the LEAST accuser enabling and the most GENUINE, APOSTOLIC LOVING..
YET TCLfully respects the right of each reader, minister, leader to go after more of the HOLY SPIRIT or else NOT. And what each of you agree is “RIGHT” is NOT our ministry business.
HOWEVER (in representing servant leader non Accuser Christ) both of those generally “pure hearted” ministry groups are emotionally /spiritually SAFE SPIRITUAL EVEN HAPPY, HAVENS.
IN CLOSING: the writer now encourages each READER to review the aforementioned (above) Bible Scriptures when they have set aside special quality time to SELAH, PONDER and to pick apart in Pauline “NOBLE BEREAN” Bible consider..with ALL doctrinal points of disagreement RESPECTFULLY Modeling JAMES 3:17, IS 11:3 (non Accuser) and EPHESIANS 4 “Common points of doctrinal agreement, cross ministry leader, True Diverse entire Body) yet with “PET OTHER DOCTRINES” thoughtfully submitted in respectful JAMES 3:17/Isaiah 11:3 due form.
TCL MAJOR POINT:
APOSTOLIC JAMES 3:17 “The wisdom that comes from above is first of all pure, peaceable, easily entreated,full of mercy and good fruit, without partiality,without hypocrisy.”
AND THE LAST BIBLE SCRIPTURE for today:) (a selah in the light of all the previously(above) named.
REVELATION 19:10: “THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS IS THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY”
(…..and JESUS went about …..doing a LOT of GOOD” Acts 10:38…..)
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