NOW FOR THE FIRST BEGINNING: JUNE 11, 2015 LEADER PONDER

“BEING UNCONDITIONALLY FORGIVING” and having ,practicing “GRACE” is a very popular leadership HOT TOPIC.

FOLLOWING the last 25 pioneering ministry abiding (turf navigating years) it strongly appears, that a brand new bumper crop of (presuming themselves to model) “Ephesians 4 five fold true offices” now have decided to eliminated what used to be known historically as “the HOLY FEAR OF THE LORD” and nearly all “PERSONALLY BEING HELD DIRECTLY MINISTRY/SENIOR MINSTER BIBLE ACCOUNTABLE” New Testament Bible verses.

TO this perceiver writer,who used to live 45 minutes from birthplace of the historic former President Thomas Jefferson (cosigner of the USA Declaration of Independence)…

PRESIDENT JEFFERSON was a DEIST (not known to be accepting Christ believing Christian) who penned his very own JEFFERSON BIBLE. He simply went through God’s Holy Word and proceeded to remove all of the Bible verses that HE personally did not agree with and choose to avoid and decided NOT to submit to.

JUDGING BY WHAT HIS BIBLE CHOICES President Thomas Jefferson evidently regarded HIMSELF as MORE THAN, meaning ABOVE God’s Holy Bible. He was in a “mature organic Christian born again sense” “ignorant of” and “unsubmitted to” God’s Holy Word. (which was his own personal GOD GIVEN choice…?)

Evidently, lawyer turned president, Thomas J mistakenly ASSUMED/presumed that HE knew as much or even MORE than the HOLY FATHER GOD for he made what is well known as THE JEFFERSON BIBLE…in which he proceeded to CUT OUT all of the Scriptures with which HE PERSONALLY disagreed.

AND THIS strongly appears that this exact same type of thing is NOW being done today but by professional, albeit ‘born again” 5 fold office, well meaning, senior ministry leaders. And how do I know this? Through repeated, ministry deep south, (thoroughly unhappy) specific real life affecting /many repeated instances.

SPIRITUAL TRUE OR FALSE FRUIT WAS THEN NOTED.
The question then arose:
Q. WHAT ARE THE SPIRITUAL DOCTRINES that each one of these must adhere to… which produces such abnormal, twisted, misfit, SHALLOW mistrustful FRUIT?

VERY FIRST the nonaccusative, certainly not suspicious but feminine leader writer, repeatedly observed a (repeated, ministry) AVOIDANCE of “being held accountable.”

AND when yours truly DID try to fully respectfully MATTHEW 18:15-17 PERSONALLY, UP FRONT fellow MINISTER CONFRONT, this SHE was (again, repeatedly) avoided, ducked, hidden from, and two times, when the SHE went to their ‘covering leadership mature oversight” to enlist some of THEM to “MATTHEW 18:16 “then go back but take someone with you to confront.” ..they used their office power to THWART, to BLOCk and to DENY ALL the leader writer’’s pure hearted attempts to fully abide by God’s commanded Holy Bible PROTOCOL.

And the non-timid writer submits, “Did the SHE or NOT actually (time after time) APOSTOLICALLY DISCERN AND PERCEIVE the blasé cavalier, ministry mysogynistic, even pervading atmosphere of deep south Good Old Person Cronyism and/or a senior ministry(not one whit dark skinned)”’

…..AND, ALONG WITH PREVALENT MINISTRY ATTITUDES: “(Noticeably smug) heh heh heh… it’s ONLY a Blonde”…and by that seeming to radiate “we’ve seen many who look just like YOU many times before so we have YOU ministry stereotyped..and as an annoying white woman…according to our preferred caste system TYPE..we do not regard YOUR KIND as worthy of respect or our using OUR very valuable TIME to waste on a RELATIONSHIP

** PART OF WHICH IS WHY WE NOW SERVANT LEADER EQUIP ON LEADERSHIP, ALL RELATIONSHIPS..doing so for the SAKE of helping, maintaining the GOOD WHOLESOME, ACCEPTING NAME of JESUS CHRIST and attempting to make HIS HOUSES “safe haven refuges” devoid of FF (PROJECTING 5 fold office (projecting unloving rejection, ACCUSER FRIENDLY FIRE) *NOTE: which is ALL “about RELATIONSHIPS” or lack of respect there of)

HOWEVER, I respectfully submit that “APOSTOLIC UNDIVIDED RESPECTING EMOTIONALLY SAFE FAMILY” is what JESUS PAID THE HIGH PRICE FOR and what the entire HOLY BIBLE (First Book to Very Last) is all, only all ABOUT.

MAIN MINISTRY LEADER EQUIPPING POINT:

MINISTRY AVOIDING, DUCKING, SHUNNING, PREVENTING GOD GIVEN RELATIONSHIPS is to teach a prevision of the Holy Word of GOD as well as to null and void the entire CHRIST FOLLOWING CHIEF PURPOSES:

**ISAIAH 56:7 “to make God’s prayerful house a house for all (kinds of ) people.”

**EPHESIANS 1:6 to ministry House, Leader project” Acceptance in the Beloved”

**EPHESIANS 2:18-20 To give off the spiritual fragrance of “YOU ARE NO MORE STRANGERS AND ALIENS IN BORN AGAIN CHRIST FOLLOWING.”

**JAMES 3:17 “(ANY) wisdom that comes from above is first of all pure, peaceable, EASILY ENTREATED (not stubborn, willful, proud, hard hearted), FULL OF MERCY and GOOD (TRUE) SPIRITUAL FRUITS and without (any bias, bigoted, projection rejection,meaning superior PROUD) any PARTIALITY or HYPOCRISY.”


SELAH: Observing and judging not the HUMANS but the SPIRITUAL FRUIT to discern is this or that pastor, leader or ministry fellowship, pioneering church is ACCEPTING or NOT, also entails discerning all of the other,even chief apostolic accepted DOCTRINES…including RELATIONSHIP RESPECT, SPIRITUAL GOVERNING AUTHORITY, BIBLE ROLES OF MALES/FEMALES, DISCERNING HONOR, DEEP INTEGRITY and TRUSTWORTHINESS…..

…meaning..then one is left to make the DISCERNMENT OF TRUE VS FALSE MINISTRY OFFICE, trustworthy or out of order CHURCH, MINISTRY FELLOWSHIP, HUMAN INDIVIDUAL, TRUE OR FALSE UP CLOSE RELATIONSHIPS, FAMILY, FRIENDS.

WIDE AWAKE AND NOT BIT ACCUSING…
The following are open ended for the mature, wise Reader Leader to ponder and maturely hear God, discern and make choices:

SELAH: Can GOOD TRUE but DULL OF DISCERNING, blatantly, woefully IGNORANT, over all well intentioned “attempting to be GOOD TRUE PERSONS” succumb to blatantly FALSE LEADER DOCTRINE??

SELAH: SHOULD THEY THEN be regarded as TRUE APOSTLES, PROPHETS, 5 fold offices or rather as THE FALSE ONES that the Bible warns us about AVOIDING?

(NOTE: Even Apostle Paul told the local churches to “know my doctrine, my LIFESTYLE, my patience and endurance”
AND he commended the Berean Jews for being NOBLE by picking apart HIS OWN DOCTRINE and (actively) comparing it with what was in written SCRIPTURES.)

ONCE AGAIN…this is OPEN ENDED..as this writer believes that we must NEVER JUDGE BY PRECONCEIVED LEADER HYSTERICAL ACCUSING MAJOR STEREOTYPES.but rather make a careful, wise, indeed prayerful decision on a ONE BY (ONLY) ONE “spiritual case by unique case”.. “unique individual” “unique profession church House” “unique diverse ministry group” ongoing (from here on to the FINAL DAY)

WRITER’S REASON..AND SUCH is the reason for this servant pioneering apostle elder submitting each of the MESSAGES, WRITTEN WORDS, EQUIPPING APOSTOLIC VIDEO to the mature in YOU, to Noble Berean Bible Compare, in a SELAH James 3:17 spiritual fruit (albeit non formula) FORM.

AND I also intend to do that with YOU, all Bible teaching OTHERS… and Tall of your, THEIR Pet doctrines.

THIS MAY BE HELPFUL TO USE FOR PERCEIVING, DISCERNMENT OF TRUE VS FALSE MINISTRY OFFICES:
ONE EXTREMELY VALUABLE INTERACTIVE RELATIONSHIP FRUIT DISCERNMENT VERSE:

JAMES 3:17 “The wisdom that comes from above is first of all pure, peaceable, easily entreated, fully of mercy and good fruit, without partiality and without hypocrisy.”

And this writer attempts to model submitted, humble JAMES 3:17 fruit on and off the ministry office public, and in private, Life Stage.

PART TWO: APOSTOLIC IN SENIOR MINISTRY

PEDALSTALED CHRISTIAN MINISTRY: FAUX OR TRUE?

THIS THEN gives off spiritual abiding fruit which bears SIMILARITY to “avoiding, omitting, being in DENIAL of/about” THE BIBLE teaching SCRIPTURES that include HOLDING ANOTHER DIRECTLY ACCOUNTABLE..which this writer will site examples.

SECONDLY: it is among this born again, senior leadership in ministry SUBGROUP “basic religious sub type” that there is also a commonly noticed practice of putting “achieving, ministry business and producing numbers” OVER “valuing RELATIONSHIPS.” (See 10 Bible Relationship on PAGES on HOMEPAGE OF this website)

THERE IS ALSO an all out avoidance, legalistic shunning of “NON BLESS ME” SCRIPTURES.

AND ALSO, where all of this is leader found, along with each of that.. is also to be intermingled a strong emphasis on “submission” “being regarded as UNDER a famous TV senior minister ”….. and there is also continual “overseer ongoing watching” to keep tabs on which other “minister” IS or is NOT “spiritually COVERED” or “a true part of their OWN Inner Circle of Senior 5 fold (religious) offices.”

AND this is the MAIN ministry subgroup who is called to senior pioneer in the local grass roots, usually middle income USA..and from what this writer has repeatedly first hand, repeatedly experienced, this is a very valuable subgroup..(for the Lord to have assigned, entrusted and hopefully anointed) to outreach as well as to role model servant apostolic senior leader JESUS CHRIST to..the local grass roots mostly middle income LOCAL REGIONS.

YET, then non OT Levitical or NT Pharisee mature writer can also perceive “human additives” “non scriptural abiding MIXTURE….(this is stated although each wise Reader understands that the non accusing leader writer is simply and truly ONLY in search of “WHO, WHAT” is purely “New Testament Truly Bible ORGANIC”….

….YET WHAT/WHO IS “BIBLE NT ORGANIC” when one is often confronted by control, applied peer pressure to “conform” and the well known USA leader focus on “spiritual turf protecting”…

and New Testament overseer Pharisee accuser name calling for far off Christian being labeled “complaining, not under submission Church Hoppers”) (*meaning that they regard being hungry for JESUS makes it a sin to go to more than ONE “type/style” of Bible believing true born again CHURCH.

But clubbish and clannish senior pioneering ministry

IT APPEARS that this is due (meaning by so called senior leader “peers”) who are very CONFUSED about applying FAITH in GOD’S unmerited, unconditional GRACE.

This immaturity might be due to the fact that there is VERY MUCH DOCTRINES via all media, TV, You Tube plus every all wise, current, very popular, We Know It ALL /have SEEN IT ALL BY NOW/ even arrogant IN SENIOR (amid rising also) LEADERSHIP OPINION.

FACT: we DO now live in the POST LAW “New Testament”

BIBLE FACT: “By faith you are eternally SAVED” …and “by GRACE are you saved, not through WORKS, lest any man shall boast”

…yet if both of those NULL AND VOIDS treating all others decently and with RESPECT which implies valuing/prioritizing a HUMAN RELATIONSHIP over PERSONAL MINISTRY SUCCESS..then something is majorly in ERROR deep down in that doctrine true follower …at least SOMEWHERE..

JUDGING ONLY by the apostolic lack of RELATIONSHIP, IN HOUSE PRIORITY and the nearly cross the apostolic board UNWILLINGNESS to abide by Bible commanded MATTHEW 18:15-17 “respecting, polite, God directed, even firm” but totally UP FRONT “INTO RELATIONSHIP PRESERVING” Leadership God’s PARENTAL, MATURE OFFICE “UP FRONT ENDURING AGAPE LOVE” and the apparent ministry rampant avoidance, DELETION OF, arrogant total OMMISSION there of it (at least according to all who believe their own pet doctrines that APOSTLE. PASTOR, PROPHET are OVER all the others and thereby implying that THEY “possess, own GOD’S PEOPLE” by making such overstepping chief overseer demands to be repeatedly over honored, in control, even mandatary cult akin non questioning dominating, and human people pleasing “leadership kowtowing’ to earn favor from the HIGH PROPHETIC MINISTRY GIMLET.

REPEAT: For well over the last 15 solid years, (and not to my notice in dark skinned, historically oppressed, repressed Christ following sub groups)…and definitely NOT IN ALL “charismatic/prophetic” denominations, and many nondemonimations…

BUT it is definitely a welcome RELIEF to mingle with the many NOT imbibing in the chief apostle as “ALL SAINTLY AND THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN INQUIRE OF THE LORD” all knowing and self righteously ALL HEARING AND PERCEIVING AND ALWAYS “IN THE RIGHT”

ASIDE: FOR USE AS A RESOURCE when surrounded by “From Such Turn Away Christ followers” (2 Timothy 3:1-5, I Timothy 6:1-7)

www.onlinefellowshhip.us

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+18%3A15-17&version=KJV

ACCUSER OF THE LEADER SISTEREN, THE APOSTOLIC MOTHERING, NON TRADITIONAL PROPHETIC,AND NON WANNABE CLONED… ALSO PURE HEARTED and commanded to FLEE (see both above verses)….

THIS are very possibly the ONLY REAL ongoing reason that drives this writer back into Noble Berean, APART FROM THE LETTER OF THE LAW VS FREEDOM FOUND IN CHRIST (according to the nonLevitical NEW TESTAMENT).

WE EACH NEED TO DISCERN BETWEEN TRUE AND FALSE MINS“CHRIST”
(and this will continue to be acutely humble and ONGOING in the holy fear of the Loving Lord)

AND THE BIG QUESTION IS: what is CHRIST’S GRACE GIVEN, UNCONDITIONAL, abiding “SWEET INFANT JESUS” (“meek and always mild”) and WHEN it is “MATURE ADULT MINISTER THE CHRIST” striding in to His local Temple to (at the instruction of His Parent The FATHER Who is GOD) to “create a ruckus” and proceed to toss over the leadership MAMMON PLEASERS money making TABLES?

POSING THESE “APOSTOLIC LEADER DISCERNMENT” SELAH QUESTIONS:

Q. WHAT is “GRACE” as opposed to “GREASY LICENTIOUS SELF/OFFICE CENTERED GRACE”

Q. ALSO, WHEN does “Christ following, meek and oh so MILD, non accusing, “by abiding in FAITH and granted saving free GRACE” FREEDOM slide downward into slippery, LICENTIOUSNESS…

……meaning WHERE ARE and WHAT ARE the steps which proceed to NOT REFLECT GOD’S GLORY?

Q. WHAT IS A LOCAL MINISTER, PERSON, making use of what God may have given them for HIS WORK (personal favor, many spiritual/natural persuasion gifts) while all the while practicing SELF DECEPTION via the use of personal RATIONALALIZATION?

PERHAPS IF WE ALL CHOSE TO RE-READ THE BIBLE: NO WHERE in either the OLD TESTAMENT or the NEW…does it state or imply that HOLY FATHER GOD casually winks at ministry leader FRAUD, deceptive misuse of his/her persuasive big GIFTS…

And would ENDORSE any “granted gift of GRACE” to use any other, to deceive, to use con artist tactics, for perpetrating self INCREASE ..meaning at the expense of ANOTHER one of His human children’s SUFFERING, EMOTIONAL DISTRESS, HUMAN PAIN, even FINANCIAL PAIN?

AND in light of ALL APOSTOLIC RELATIONSHIPS..simply JUDGE the FRUIT of all of this in terms of 1) other honoring, 2) bearing a personal/ministry true Christ like relationship witness 3) demonstration of ministry leader human caring love and compassion 4) in “the Proverbs 1:7 abiding holding fear of the Lord” and 5) OTHER CENTEREDNESS.

“By their fruits you will know them.”

“It’s so very SAD when you realize that the “messengers of satan sent to buffet you” are actually your own fellow “Christ follower” leader peers.” IFFM Upper Management

ABIDING IN THE TRUE VINE also means NO convenient ducking, avoiding, slick willy manipulation (all of which bear spiritual root fruits of personal idolatry, rebellion, which I Samuel names as “equal to the sin of WITCHCRAFT.”)

AND VASTLY IMMATURE RELATIONSHIP (usually charismatic) WITCHCRAFT is probably the FIRST real motive that provoked this spirit filled praying NON CHARISMATIC to ponder “WHAT IS THE DOCTRINE WHICH SPAWNS SUCH TASTELESS SPIRITUAL FRUIT?”

WE NEED TO CONCLUDE:

AND THE WRITER WONDERS: How low can we allow all of this to GO? MUCH PRAYER and BIBLE DOCTRINE EXAMINATION is (brutally frankly) now needed!**

** IT is so widely spread ministry POPULAR and noticeably ACCEPTED in USA WIDE Pop Worship Culture mostly GRASS ROOTS..to be by another viewed as “Being linked to the tailcoats of the well known usually TV Famous Apostle, Bible Teacher, True Prophet, Bishop, that it actually applies other centered “co dependent /peer pressure” due to the human abiding need to MIND ALL OTHER’S intrepid leader, lay BUSINESS.

Hence this writer now addresses most of these TOPICS as they each affect the FLAVOR, ATMOSPHERE and “ORGANIC” “BIBLE AUTHENTIC” or “NOT WHOLLY ORGANIC” “divisive” and “INCLUDING HUMAN MIXTURE”

ANOTHER HUMBLY YIELDED SELAH.

THEREFORE, even deleted, avoids, misapplies HOLY BIBLE SCRIPTURE to use it for SELFISH GAIN, even CONNING many others, while SELF DECEIVING due to the convenient avoidance or OMISSION of “NON BLESS ME” Bible verses..

…which is due to the ERRANT futile, application of SUCH (misapplied) BIBLE SCRIPTURE which says, “I am the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus” **
** 2 CORINTHIANS 5:21 “For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.”

THE BIBLE plainly gives 3 ministry key examples of HUMAN PERSONS being held “personally, directly ACCOUNTABLE” as in BY THE LORD GOD.

1. READ GENESIS 3: 9-12 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+3&version=KJV “God firmly, respectfully, minus accusation, demeaning, fear producing, UP FRONT LOVE “Using Tough Respecting Real LOVE” when Father God calls out “Adam, where are you?” and then proceeds to HONOR His (first born son) OFFICE by giving first man ADAM a second opportunity to RISE UP and MAN UP to repent and to confess to the loving GOD. (Please listen to REAL RESPECT FOR GENUINE FATHERS Video to hear all the deep ins and outs on this. JUNE 10)

NOTE: THESE ARE THE OMITTED “UP FRONT ACCOUNTABLE” (RELATIONSHIP) NEW TESTAMENT BIBLE VERSES now completely MIA in most of the modern pop worship, among them even vulture ministry culture”

*MISSING IN MATURE LEADER ACTION: PERSONAL SELF REFLECTION, TURNING FROM APOSTOLIC MINISTER,PERSONAL SIN
I PETER 4:17 “For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?”

** MISSING IN MATURE LEADER ACTION: THE FATHER UP FRONT CONFRONTING ADAM (we also mentioned this above) GENESIS 3:9

**MISSING IN MATURE LEADER ACTION: MATTHEW 18:15-17:

” Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.

But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.”

**MISSING IN MATURE LEADER ACTION: ACTS 5:1- 11 ANANIAS AND SAPHIRRA:https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+5&version=NIV

**MISSING IN MATURE LEADER ACTION: PROVERBS 1:7 THE HOLY FEAR OF THE LORD
PONDER: “If the FEAR OF THE LORD IS THE BEGINNING OF WISDOM” (Proverbs 1:7) then an ABSENCE of any “FEAR OF THE LORD” is the beginning of WHAT? (apostolic foolishness!)

EQUIPPING RESOURCE FOR TEACHING LESSON FOR ACQUIRING THE FEAR OF THE LORD: SEE PROVERBS 2:1-5