2014 VINTAGE: WHO WERE THE FIRST CHURCH APOSTLES “UNDER?”

March 21, 2022 /

“HEBREWS 10:25 “FELLOWSHIPPING WITH THE AREA SAINTS”…IS NOT DESIGNED TO BE SO COMPLICATED.”
T. D’Arcy Management

This article was first printed www.organicleader.org July 7, 2014 ..NOTE that the DFW Leader Ministry ONLINE Fellowship went up Mid 2015..due to all of the local hoops jumping, False Teaching Pharisee’s everybody’s mind reading, business ever minding

2017 NOTE: This article was spawned following so many Grass Roots Close Encounters of the AVOID BEING IN RELATIONSHIP but needing to “apostolically “KNOW” whom each and every one is “UNDER” meaning at the Friendly Fire Local Fellowship abiding governmental Level; (and same from each one of those in the basic Vintage Ball park infamous Discovery Pioneering Most Auspicious Years)

ABOUT THE FIRST NEW TESTAMENT CHURCH

WHO were all of the first church chief apostles UNDER?

“Inquiring Minds DEMAND to know” **

**USA wary Overseer White Patriarchal WELP Shepherding Ministry
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“Trust ye not in a friend, put ye not confidence in a guide; keep the doors of thy mouth from her that lieth in thy bosom.”Micah 7:5

“And do not call no man your father on the earth; for one is your Father, which is in heaven.” who Matthew 23:9

Q. WHY did Apostle Paul regard himself and a band of others as “sent out from the Lord, but not UNDER any one particular organized group, one single person?”

GALATIANS 1:1-2 “Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;) And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:”

MAIN POINT: While the first Original (ministry leader “organic” ) pioneering TWELVE apostles had sat directly UNDER the MESSIAH, JESUS CHRIST for 3 years, APOSTLE PAUL was ostracized for 14 years and after attempting to meet with PETER, departed from JERUSALEM for desert ARABIA for approximately 14 years.

WHILE Apostle Paul was OFF BY HIMSELF, God used what the devil had meant for divisive EVIL…for EACH ONE OF OUR (in the New Testament, POST LEVITICAL LEGALISM/ OT LAW DAYS…for OWN MINISTRY GOOD.

FOR it was being an early CHURCH OUTCAST, in Damascus, Syria (“Arabia”) where PAUL had only His relationship with the LORD via the HOLY SPIRIT, to INSTRUCT HIM (Big reminder: back then there were NOT Ministry Training Series, Teaching CDs, Prior Leader Generation helpful BOOKS as we now have in ABUNDANCE everywhere TODAY. And back then they did not even have a NEW TESTAMENT to study, to apply and find God’s PROMISES to claim)

RATHER the Early First CHURCH was FORCED to depend solely upon the LORD by going to HIM in repeated apostolic times of PRAYER and FASTING.

HENCE Apostle PAUL, who was at the first regarded as “being untrustworthy, darkly suspicious” (due to his past reputation as a CHRISTIAN MURDERER, prior to his wonderous transformational encounter with THE LORD)…was THERE “in ARABIA” in veritable “NO FELLOWSHIPPING” “COMMONLY AGREED UPON DOCTRINE” and “NO SAFETY IN THE ABUNDANCE OF WISE COUNSELORS” and WITHOUT CO PEER “IRON SHARPENS IRON”

EVIDENTLY, being thrust outside the “ACCEPTED” First Church pioneering ministry for that surely extremely long 14 early years, Apostle Paul, had much time to press in to personally become better acquainted with the LORD. Later Apostle Paul’s comments in each of his letters tell us this.

“But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.” Galatians 1:11-12

“Eye has not seen nor ear heard, neither has entered into the heart of any man, those things which the Lord has prepared for those who love Him BUT those things ARE REVEALED by the Spirit, for the Spirit searches all things, yea, even the deep things of God.” I Corinthians 2:9-10

Paul comes out against PASTOR, LEADER, FIVE FOLD OFFICE dependency.

But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother’s womb, and called me by his grace,

“To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood: Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.” Galatians 1:15-17

APOSTLE PAUL seems to confirms what Jesus Himself apostolic taught:
“And do not call no man your father on the earth; for one is your Father, which is in heaven.” who Matthew 23:9

AND WHILE APOSTLE PAUL urged the First Church leaders, lay to “not forsake fellowshipping with the saints” in the book of Hebrews 10:25, he also gave the escape clause when abuse or disrespect repeatedly occurs. (meaning, avoid that PARTICULAR SR MINISTRY /GROUP but do not forsake FELLOWSHIPPING all together!)

“This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: FROM SUCH TURN AWAY.” II Timothy 3:1-5

AND later in I TIMOTHY 6 Paul commands the PURE HEARTED lay and elder to WITHDRAW themselves from pastors, senior ministers who teach “GAIN IS A SIGN OF GODLINESS.”

READ IN CONTEXT, I TIMOTHY CHAPTER 6
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=I+Timothy+6&version=KJV

MODERN DAY MINISTRY DOCTRINES are often mistakenly requiring that ALL lay persons, their perceived “members” MUST only sit “UNDER” THEM but no body else. This is perhaps MOST COMMON in local rural, grass roots, small religious legalistic regions, where New Testament FREEDOM, mostly moving in the Holy Spirit, gets mired down in OLD TESTAMENT LEGALISM “apostolic requirements” to “SUBMIT TO THE LOCAL SR PASTOR” meaning in a “not dare to question my authority” or “be caught CHURCH HOPPING over to sit UNDER a fellow CHRISTIAN MINISTERS meeting.”

Perhaps all of this is deeply rooted in LACK OF MINISTRY TRAINING…but the writer is very concerned that SPIRITUAL TURF PROTECTING may be actually rooted in FEAR OF LOSS…of HOUSE MONIES (APOSTOLIC TITHE).

THERE IS NEW TESTAMENT LEGALISTIC PHARISEEISM which keeps tabs on all others, both lay and elder, peer senior minister.

HENCE the modern NEED to examine local ministry DOCTRINES to DEFRAG them from ACCUSER resembling, overseer Phariseeism,which can make “fellowshipping with the saints” in what ought to be JESUS SAFE SPIRITUAL HAVEN…Hazardous to a persons HEALTH: via apostolic local FF: Friendly Fire which is not rampant all across grass roots AMERICA.

CHIEF APOSTLE PAUL described God’s Holy Word in 2 Timothy 3:16-17 (on the IFFM Ministry Logo):
“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.”

“Above: 2014 ” The hairy eyeball of True, false (doctrine) authority” Later 2020″ The Scowl of (signifying) False Doctrines”,

MAIN LEADER POINTS: 2 Timothy 3:16-17 expounded

*ALL SCRIPTURE (alias God’s Whole Counsel,which is even the NON BLESS ME, ongoing RELATIONSHIPS RESPECTING part) is given by God

* ALL SCRIPTURE is PROFITABLE…meaning that if one yields to God’s WHOLE BIBLE COUNCIL rather than abiding under ONLY pet, preferred,favorite, me serving select PASSAGES..

*ALL PROFITABLE SCRIPTURE then bears the following spiritual fruit: it yields a person’s, minister’s DOCTRINES (what they believe, how they react to various deep, life situations);

** FOR REPROOF: regarding BIBLE ADULTERATED LEADER/UNTRUE, ERRANT DOCTRINE, MISBEHAVIOR, OMISSION, COMMISSION (PS the writer GOOGLE SEARCHED the MIRIAM WEBSTER online dictionaries’ definition for the word REPROOF and found that ONE of the definitions of REPROOF means to “TICK OFF.” hahaha. MEANING: Being a PASTOR, A PROPHET, A PARENT or ANY LEADER TYPE OF OTHER is NOT designed by GOD to be “winning any POPULARITY CONTESTS.”

** FOR CORRECTION: leader potter’s wheel, repeated sifting, individual self, God, pruning, based on any persons, leaders, Holy Spirit guided self examination,in their implied submission to the loving Holy God; Meaning allowing GOD to clearly direct them regarding made mistakes, removing even chief sins, etc)**

** which should NOT be viewed as so AWFUL* (*accused as being “ACCUSATIVE, SIN CONSCIOUS by many it appears in modern 5 fold office grass roots local ministry).

(ASIDE) THE UNIVERSAL WHY? “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? ” JEREMIAH 16:19….

….which is (no big accuser shame) WHICH is the exact same natural world wide, historical, clinical, FALLEN HUMAN CONDITION (apart from accepting the saving knowledge of JESUS “MESSIAH” RISEN CHRIST.)

BACK ON TRACK:

*FOR INSTRUCTION IN RIGHTEOUSNESS: this does not imply RELIGIOUS ALWAYS RIGHT, SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS, nor rigidity, autocratic dogmatism, Old Testament Levitical Legalism, Western European Roman proud Particianism, stereotyping, big leader bias, any forms of prejudice, classism, entitled elite AKA proud, offensive demeaning Hate Speech .

*NON SELF RIGHTEOUS SPIRITUAL FRUIT will bear marks to the following:

*JAMES 3:17 “The wisdom that comes from above is first of all pure, peaceable, easily entreated, full of mercy and good fruits (GALATIANS 5 Pauline fruits of the spirit), without partiality(respecter of persons religion), and without hypocrisy.”

*GALATIANS 5:22-23“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.”

….AND /OR ANY OTHER THING which would NOT resemble the FRUIT OF THE ISAIAH 11:3 non accuser MESSIAH “He will be quick of understanding in the fear of the Lord and will NOT JUDGE by the sight of His eyes or make decisions based on what HE HEARD.”

LAST PART OF 2 TIMOTHY 3:17
“So that the man of God may be PERFECT and THOROUGHLY FURNISHED unto all good works.”

THEN WHY should each minister, leader, lay SUBMIT to the authority of God’s WHOLE COUNSEL by applying even the NON BLESS ME verses (example yielding to reproof, correction?)

*It reveals (even chief apostolic) HUMILITY as unto the LIVING LORD.

*It reveals that they want a real First Love ongoing RELATIONSHIP apart with the LORD..not just PLAYING “being in ministry.”

*It reveals that they are VALID and hence far more TRUSTWORTHY, RELIABLE and HONORABLE..when one is truly HUMBLE, who truly allows the LORD to continually work on them by pruning, repeated sifting…which usually also means that these same kind of MINISTERS are (normally) NOT IN MINISTRY TO MAKE MONEY OFF OF GOD’S OFFICE nor will USE /MANIPULATE or potentially CON, APPLY PRESSURE upon God’s SHEEP for DONATIONS, MONEY, TO PRODUCE REVENUE.

NOW IN CLOSING, we must winnow through all of the current, popular worship, TV affected ministry doctrines in an ongoing BIBLE RESEARCH (Noble Berean nonlegalistic Style) …to see WHAT and WHO actually represent what the (nonlegalistic imperfect, nonaccusative, but simply reflective) writer calls wholly Holy Bible “NON RELIGIOUS” “FIRST CHURCH” ORGANIC.

And this is the real reason we are studying SPIRITUAL COVERING, ALL BIBLE AUTHORITY, RELATIONSHIPS and FIVE FOLD OFFICE SENIOR, JUNIOR RISING MINISTRY, BIBLE MALES AND FEMALES ROLES, ETC.

YET we admit fully that we also continually, fully allow the LORD to reproof, correct and repeatedly refine, sift US as well.

As it is ONLY THE LIVING PURE HEARTED PERFECT LEADER ALMIGHTY GOD who truly deeply KNOWS what inside ALL HUMAN IMPERFECT, even TRYING VERY HARD, well intentioned leader HEARTS…including this writers.

HENCE, Apostle Paul wrote, “Don’t follow ME, follow the Christ IN ME.”

And this writer (sighing a big sigh of RELIEF) says similar..don’t EVERY follow IFFM, TD or any OTHER sr leader minister BLINDLY..CHOOSE to examine their SUBMITTED VARIOUS COMMENTS in Noble Berean ongoing Bible comparison evaluation. RATHER (politely, nonlegalisticly, James 3:17 respectully and in light of Ephesians 4 “mutually agreed to/commonly held doctrines” ) please feel FREE to CHOOSE to be a NOBLE BEREAN with all submitted TD MINISTRIES/IFFM, SELAH but perhaps bold, even pithy, COMMENTS.

AND IFFM (Now 2017 DFW LOF, TCL) , MYSELF will (respectfully) do the exact same thing with YOUR doctrines …….as well as EVERYONE ELSE’S!

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