NOTE: we repost this apostolic archive article which was first posted June 14, 2014 www.taveauleader.com

WHO WAS APOSTLE PAUL “UNDER?”
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GALATIANS 1:1 “Paul, an apostle (not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father who raised Him from the dead),and all the brethren who are with me,”

LUKE 1:17 “He will also go before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, ‘to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children,’ and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just, to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.”

ASKING: Are chief apostolic,five fold office senior ministers NEW TESTAMENT REQUIRED to be “SENT OUT” from or by another older, more established, higher visibility MENTORING, SR OVERSEER OFFICE?

We will most likely raise a few hackles, but we do this intentionally to stir up NEW REALISTIC, PROPHETIC HOUSE thought..for the sole intentions of preparing God’s Spiritually Gifts moving Houses ready for HIM to send in hopefully MANY brand new sheep.

SUBMITTED BIBLE BASED OPEN ENDED SELAHS

GALATIANS 1:1 “Paul, an apostle (not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father who raised Him from the dead),and all the brethren who are with me,”

JUST CURIOUS: WHO WAS APOSTLE PAUL’S SPIRITUAL “COVERING?”
HIS OVERSIGHT?

WONDERING: WHOM DID THE APOSTLE PAUL TRAIN TO BE “UNDER” HIM? OR DID HE MENTOR, COVER WITH ONGOING PRAYER AND BY MENTORING 2 TIMOTHY 2:16-17 ongoing doctrine, instruction, reproof, correction,etc?

IFFM, TAVEAU D’ARCY CREATIVE LEADERSHIP MINISTRIES, DFW LEADER MINISTRY FELLOWSHIP POINT:

History tells us that while the FIRST CHURCH original chief apostles (first 12 disciples) technically sat “under” the training, mentoring and apostolic modeling of the Messiah, Jesus Christ, Apostle Paul did not.

And due to his notorious previous reputation as a murderer of Christians, Apostle Paul was regarded as “suspicious” by the “organic” Twelve (ORIGINAL TWELVE minus betrayer Judas, then added Matthias).

So mistrusting of the ‘newbie to the local senior pioneering ministry” apostolic teacher PAUL,that while he attempted to visit with Peter for two weeks, however they did NOT get along very well, evidently…

..WHEREAS.. following that, Paul departed for Arabia,(FOR 14 WHOLE ENDURING YEARS) where he evidently had no other personal mentoring, training except via “REVELATION” as HE “hung out” alone, apart WITH THE LIVING LORD in the ARABIAN PRAYER CLOSET…which the writer now lovingly names in modern day life terms: God’s Home School of the Holy Spirit.

(AND in Prophetic Office I Kings 19:9 being much processed, ministry terms:”the prophetic cave of Elijah)

Paul repeatedly discusses “REVEALED GODLY WISDOM” in “the knowledge OF HIM.” (Ephesians 1:17):
“…that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him,”

I JOHN 2:7 “But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.”

IFFM, TCL, DFW LEADER SUBMITS: “Fellowshipping with the saints” “practicing ministry accountability’ were NOT intended to be regarded as primarily for “works” “law” based “Big System”… but to maintain order in a giant, multicultural, diverse FAMILY. (navigate the many flavors in a world wide “ORGANISM” the (nonlegalistic) happy safe CHURCH.”

AND that FOLLOWING CHRIST, DOING THE WORK OF THE MINISTRY?

IT’S ALL (SUPPOSEDLY) ABOUT OUR ONGOING RELATIONSHIPS NOT ABOUT OUR MAKING BIG PROGRESS.

APOSTLE PAUL’S METHOD

(Busy leader achievement? Or “Divine Relationship” apostolic Christian field ministry?)

Each of Paul’s writings described many deep aspects of “5 fold office, ongoing personal, family, church, Christian community” APOSTOLIC REAL LIFE ONGOING RELATIONSHIPS..

AND THE renown Apostle, who wrote two thirds of the New Testament, fully described single minded “Christ Following” as well as “being made into a Bible office minister” as a RELATIONSHIP, enduring, repeated sifting ENDURING MATURING BIG OVERCOMING PROCESS which was not and could not be successfully ACHIEVED or humanly WORKED.

READ: EPHESIANS 1:17, Ephesians 2:14, Chapter 4 in it’s entirety, and Ephesians 5:21 for all 5 fold leaders, church, Godly family.

WHAT’S MOVING AMONG GRASS ROOTS MINISTRY?

AND with all of the local grass roots church ABUZZ with “who is everybody regarded as being UNDER” and “who is YOUR /HER,HIS COVERING” and ” the need to have and be UNDER a “Spiritual Office Apostolic Father/Mother” to be regarded as a “valid office minister” or even taken seriously…. is all based on New Testament intermingled with Old Testament Levitical Law.

SORRY to report, but this writer regards this is “leader winds of doctrine” which often includes the House Mixture of “elevated entitled overseer pulpits” (shades of Doctrines of the Nicolatians?), Old Testament Law mixed in the otherwise good, sound New Testament Jesus Freedom…Western European Aristocratic Roman Patricianism and other You Tube, passed way down, local legalism, abject big fear, errant use of Bible in accuser religious stereotyping and religious passing fads,fancies and ALL mixed with human flesh, complete IGNORANCE and big emotional IMMATURITY.

AND I, the writer, fully admit to(formerly) believing a LOT of what the SHE USED to hear PREACHED..(not by her FATHER or other ministry males/females in her extended family /by her then all male multicultural board, etc)…but usually ONLY when visiting repeatedly those otherwise good groups, who preached on moving in the gifts of the Spirit…(and not ALL OF THEM acted like that!!)

*BUT eventually more than enough DID..which prompted HER to leader compare and contrast the doctrines by which her Southern Baptist dear father pastor had raised her and her extended pioneering leader family (most nonlegalistic Presbyterians, Methodists, Baptists) ..and nary a ONE OF THESE, who always disregarded the DENOMINATIONAL NAME BRAND to truly focus on the BIBLE and CHRIST and “Common doctrines” ..and were all big on FIRST LOVE ongoing RELATIONSHIPS..

AND what the Lord ongoing REVEALED in years of prayer, Noble Berean ministry doctrine research …REVEALED that SURELY not ALL “popular worship culture teaching doctrines’ are ACTUALLY NEW TESTAMENT ONLY.

SELAH.

ALSO, from age 23 to 2012,when the Lord removed her from Grass Roots Sampling..the feminine (accused minus ever ONCE being up front respectfully Matthew 18:15 lovingly up front confronted…) the discouraged writer (due to the last 3 solid deep southwest rugged demanding years) SHOOK THE DUST OFF OF HER FEET and went into the I Kings 19:9 “Prophetic Cave of Elijah” to over all PROCESS and digest what the writer felt was GOD’S VIEW regarding all this.

EXAMPLE:

AND with “the ministry legalistic local church government, spiritual authority “RELIGIOUS RULES” (which are now everywhere in well meaning deep grass roots ministry), this then allows a bumper crop of ministry “over seers” who keep their eyes open (by using perceiver gifts to keep a nosey minding all others business..from afar) …which indeed then makes the local (mostly rural, grass roots) region UNSAFE…due to infestation of the MODERN DAY “YEAST OF THE OVER SEER APOSTOLIC PHARISEES” who resemble the Accuser rather than the ISAIAH 11:3 nonaccuser MESSIAH, JESUS CHRIST…

…WHICH often reminds her of wholly “organic” fruit of the the NON PHARISEEICAL, NON ACCUSER, ISAIAH 11:3 MESSIAH:

(*Our definition of organic: without any human added synthetic mixture)

“He will be quick of understanding in the FEAR OF THE LORD and WILL NOT JUDGE by the sight of His eyes or make decisions based on what HE HEARD.” ISAIAH 11:3

NON ACCUSER LUKE 1:17 AND MATURE FATHERING

“He (John the Baptist) will also go before Him(Jesus Christ) in the spirit and power of Elijah, ‘to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children,’ and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just, to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.”

MAIN LUKE 1:17 SUBMITTED POINTS:

A. “HE WILL GO BEFORE HIM…”
John the Baptist comes, followed by Messiah, Jesus Christ. This ushers in an EPIC PIVOTAL NEW DAY which, to get it’s total big ramifications, would need to be SPIRITUALLY PERCEIVED and DISCERNED, BIBLE CONFIRMED.
SUBMITTED SELAH.

B) “….IN THE SPIRIT AND POWER OF ELIJAH”
This ETERNAL PARADIGM EPIC SHIFT will bear the following visible manifestations/ VIEWED REAL FRUIT
**prophetic signs, real wonders, miracles, (Holy Spirit mighty power such as I Kings Elijah signs and wonders; BOOK OF ACTS 2, etc. many salvations,real signs and big wonders. It will be Supernatural Strength City.

C) “…”TO TURN THE HEARTS OF THE FATHERS TO THE CHILDREN…”
**SOMETHING (and it’s the work/move of the HOLY SPIRIT/outpouring of GRACE, leader skill, new fresh wisdom) will heal, knit and blend together to complement one another, the RIFT in GENERATIONS…and submitting this to the reader: that it will be BOTH NATURAL OLD and NEW GENERATION affecting,healing, spiritually and naturally uniting..but also PASTOR, 5 fold office PAST and CURRENT, RISING Ministry Leader generations.
(which is what IFFM, TAVEAU CREATIVE LEADERSHIP , DFW LEADER MINISTRY FELLOWSHIP is only all always totally ABOUT…)

D) “TO TURN THE DISOBEDIENT TO THE WISDOM OF THE JUST”
** Backsliders, new formerly hard hearted, tough minded,nonbelievers will suddenly repent, gain new spiritual insight and want to fully follow after , return back to the LORD (IFFM means from the least to the greatest, and even in GOD’S LEADER HOUSES);

E) “…AND TO MAKE READY A PEOPLE PREPARED FOR THE LORD”
* Prepare them to be ready for Christ’s soon unsuspected return, (WISE VIRGINS, whose lamps are filled with oil: expectant, alert, discerning and READY)
* Prepared heart, minds, soul and eternal SPIRIT to resemble a Bride, spotless and ready, and ongoing Ezekiel Chapter 1 wheel (spirit led), TRUE CORPORATE MUTUALLY SUBMITTED, TOTALLY RESPECTING Christ Following true unified community (Read Ephesians 4 to find the FRUIT displayed when all 5 fold offices submit in unity..starting verse 12 on to see the corporate, community area discernible FRUIT)

CONCLUSION:

*Our example for DOCTRINAL SPIRITUAL FRUIT is that it must RESEMBLE what is TRULY implied by New Testament FREEDOM as modeled by NON LEVITE, NOT A PHARISEE OVER SEER PROPHETIC WATCHER.. the non accuser example of JESUS CHRIST.

*Each of us should examine each of our own Bible traditions,apostolic teachings to see which ones are TRULY also found repeated in the NEW TESTAMENT

We must know the accurate roots of Jesus natural lineage. The nonlegalistic First Born Son of God was not descended (on His mother Mary’s Hebrew side) downbfrom the Priestly Tribe of Levi.

Instead: Jesus the promised Messiah, descended down from the agricultural servant minister, but non high priestly Levitical tribe, of JUDAH.(OLD TESTAMENT: “Judah shall plough” Hosea 10:11; NEW TESTAMENT The Christ Jesus came intentionally to PLOUGH up people’s HEARTS

LUKE 2: 34-35, “And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;

35 (Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.”

MAIN MINISTRY POINT:

 

Beware the yeast of the Pharisees. Book of John 6 states that the OLD GUARD gossiped AMONG THEMSELVES that God’s NEW HOLY SPIRIT GUARD “healed(operated) under demon power.”

By ACCUSING ignorantly from afar, WERE THEY mistakenly blaspheming the Holy Spirit?

WOULD this in New Testament CHRIST FOLLOWING MINISTRY “COMMUNION”/LORD SUPPER TERMS be regarded as “failing to discern Christ’s body correctly, so that many of you are sick and die young?”
NOT HARD DOGMA, but SOMBER, SUBMITTED POTENTIALLY TRUE SELAH.

WHAT IS Old Testament Levitical Law and New Testament Freedom?

3.WHEN is NEW TESTAMENT GRACE abused /misunderstood to mean “freedom to not be held personally accountable” even freedom to be licentious?” (reminder: New Testament Acts 5 Ananias and Sapphira)

AND JUST who was Apostle Paul “UNDER” back in the First Pioneering Church?
(who was ELIJAH UNDER in I Kings?)

IFFM, TCL, DFWLEADER believes in the following NEW TESTAMENT Bible balanced, freedom:

Being born again (inviting Jesus Christ into your heart as personal Lord and Savior

Asking Jesus to fill you with His Holy Spirit (anointing, empowering, assisting in clarity of direction, discernment,making many choices)

Letting CHRIST tell YOU where to ongoing “fellowship with the saints.” HE must tell YOU where HE wants /needs YOU to go, and for how long. (Note; this is based on a one to one, 24/7/365 developing FIRST REAL LOVE ongoing /committed relationship,which matures and achieves over a period of time, and after many learning curves.)

Fellowship REASONS: mentoring, BIble training, social fellowship, Holy Spirit safety in numbers for prayer, for finding out what /who God is calling YOU to do/to become/even go into the ministry.”

House to House Holy Spirit directed form: “God will instruct the growing to find one Safe House to commit to, to sow tithes into, and to commit to serving, helping..

….while IFFM, TCL, DFWLEADER purports that WHEN you are not “on duty” and ONLY IF and WHEN the Holy Spirit leads YOU..that YOU have the freedom to visit and worship with God’s RELATIVES in Christ’s body. (this is an IFFM, TCL, DFWLEADER belief and ongoing practice)

For ministers, “modeling, mentoring, “iron sharpens iron” ‘safety in the number of counselors” with NO mention of “being UNDER only ONE name brand ministry STYLE.

“Being committed, but not under party spirit,ministry division, contention and also able to “be led by the Spirit to fellowship ACROSS Body dividing lines.” (IFFM, TCL, DFWLEADER also believes and practices)

MINISTRY “Spiritual, Ministry Accountability” based on:

“As iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another.” Proverbs 27: 17

“Faithful are the wounds of a friend.” Proverbs 27:6

3 Timothy 3:16-17 reproving, (polite, respectful/humble) Spirit led correction, etc “in order to be fully furnished.”

“There is safety in a number of (God hand picked/mature) counselors.” Proverbs 11:14, Proverbs 26:6

AND Cross True Body Holy Spirit directed, authority of the Bible yielded, in “commonly agreed upon” Ephesians Doctrine with all secondary /pet leader doctrines respected, and with disagreements politely resembling /modeling the nonpolitical, non partisan, non biased and non PETTY or LEGALISTIC human SPIRITUAL FRUIT of JAMES 3:17

WHAT IF APOSTLE PAUL WERE IN PIONEERING SR MINISTRY TODAY?

CURRENTLY(based on last 20 years grass roots exploring/study) APOSTLE PAUL might have been viewed from afar,exhibiting His nonreligious revelation of FREEDOM in CHRIST and in CROSS CULTURAL PAN DENONOMINATIONAL, servant leader (not into being exalted, indeed Famous Celebrity)…

….and due to all of that, PAUL HIMSELF might have been speculated upon and rumored all about as “not UNDER submission to Spiritual Authority” and libeled “in big rebellion” and “contentious” “divisive” simply for not yielding to LEVITICAL PATRIARCHALISM and WESTERN EUROPEAN ROMAN PATRICIANISM and (entitled) DOCTRINES OF THE NICOLATIANS all of these intermingled with “RESPECTER OF PERSONS /PERSONALITY WORSHIP CULT religious SPIRITS.”

And,what is good enough for (no Ephesians 5:11 Capital A five fold office) chief apostle minister Paul is good enough for IFFM, TCL, DFW LEADER and little ole’ ME.

Submitted in IFFM, TCL, DFWLEADER House James 3:17, fully respectful apostolic form…IN THE abiding, holy fear of the Living LORD.

Bye for now!

UPCOMING: IFFM, TCL, DFW LEADER Submits “Personal Self Governing, Mutually Submitted Holy Bible In House, Marriage ,Real Life “GOVERNMENT” to replace /equip and train on, in order to REPLACE (hard, authoritarian, accusative, very intolerant WHO ARE YOU UNDER human doctrines) …and need time to get a video too.

FOLLOWING THAT, we will need to delve into WHAT IS BIBLE NEW NON LEGALISTIC “PURPOSES” for governed “organic Bible TRUE PROSPERITY” and shall replace all First CHief Apostles, Hierarchy matters over on www.onlinefellowship.us www.taveaucreativeconsulting.com www.relationshiptheology.org www.dfwleader.org

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